Comments on: So yeah ocean sunfish are ridiculous, dolphins are @#$@&, and deep-sea anglerfish are monsters https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/ All the news on the Earth's largest environment. Thu, 02 Mar 2017 03:52:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://csrtech.com By: Dr. M https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21214 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 03:52:11 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21214 In reply to Samantha Muka.

Perhaps not a rant but of similar vain in argument, Litchfield’s piece remains an opinion without data to support it. The piece was published online and thus comment is open on Litchfield’s contentions. This article is thus a valid commentary and part of the scientific process of vetting.

As noted above, we actually have solid data demonstrating that the “unmonstering” of fish species highly coincides with greater landings and consumption of these species.

And to the contrary, I have spent greater than a decade thinking precisely about these kinds of issues and collecting data from my social media campaigns on precisely what does and does not work.

As a far as labelling something alien, this likely leads to more funding in programs on exploration and uncovering mysteries of oceans.

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By: tangent https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21058 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 05:14:57 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21058 I have zero problem with silly or irreverent or tartish, but I do think negativity can be mildly corrosive, even when it’s tongue-in-cheek.

Snark gets attention, and attention is better than no attention, sure. But why not make a point of using your influence — and often you do — routinely towards respect and amazement? Sure, amazement at the ridiculousness of the contraption that is life. But the crazy thing works. Laugh at that.

Negative attitudes probably matter. Shark conservation has had some trouble with attitudes. You could run a psych study presenting subjects with a bland article, an interesting positive one, or a catchy negative one.

I wouldn’t criticize, because I bet even your negative articles are net benefits for the species involved, but since you bring up the question, there it is. I have to agree with the comments that H. sapiens in particular in no position to dis M. mola as a species. They’ll outlast us. And let’s not talk about who’s getting into Heaven.

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By: Mary Finelli https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21043 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:01:21 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21043 I was among those who complained about the sunfish roast and it looks like I’ll be in the minority with this comment, too. So be it, this needs to be said.

I greatly appreciate most of DSN’s posts and articles. I learn from them and am often entertained by them. I appreciate the interest in marine life that they try to instill in the audience. Most importantly, though, I believe is to engender appreciation and respect for our fellow species and for nature. This can be done in a colorful, humorous way but should not be done at the subject’s expense. Just as one (hopefully) wouldn’t describe another culture in an insulting, derogatory way, we shouldn’t describe other species in that way. At the very least there should be some redeeming value in a commentary. There was none whatsoever in the sunfish screed.

It reminds me of the appalling video about the sunfish in Boston Harbor for which those two very vulgar and violent ignoramuses received so much fame and praise. They tortured that amazing and harmless fish, and people cheered them: https://www.facebook.com/mikeybrgn/videos/10200956162583724/ I was truly disgusted to find it posted here with no criticism from DSN but rather as something praiseworthy.

Bringing attention to other life forms is not enough. We should appreciate and respect them, and above all we should have compassion for our fellow sentient beings, whatever species they happen to be. To me, engendering this quality in others is DSN at its best. Encouraging disrespect for them is DSN at its worst.

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By: A-Man https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21039 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:24:02 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21039 In reply to Dia.

I disagree. Pandas survived just fine until humans arrived; we are their only problem. And as of dolphins, I’m sure that, if proper research was undertaken, we’d find out that the prevalence of rape between dolphins is pretty similar to that within heavily patriarchal human societies. They aren’t more the rapists of the sea than humans are the rapists of the land.

I also believe that we’re witnessing fairly recent phenomena as the dolphin’s natural aggression is being heavily exacerbated by the noise pollution generated by human ships.

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By: Hrovitnir https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21032 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:59:53 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21032 Good for you. I’m pretty offended at people targetting an organisation specifically aimed at education about (and thus demystification and interest in) poorly known animals for not *doing it right*. Sure, people make mistakes and that’s cool, but this sanctimonious bullshit really gets up my nose.

As for “such readers have no value”, that is the most pathetic thing I’ve read in a while. (a) Actually, ‘those’ readers are the most important, you idiot. By which I mean people who don’t necessarily have an intrinsic interest in ecology or biodiversity. (b) Lots of scientists, including myself, really enjoy this. I mean, obviously: this is written by scientists! I really hope the person who wrote this is still in undergrad or fresh out of school, because that’s a ridiculous, embarrassing, and gross thing to think. (c) I also enjoy more “dry” reading, and that in no way precludes being exceptionally amused by this kind of thing. My first reaction was “hey! Leave mola mola alone!” followed by dying of laughter, FYI. And sharing it on FB.

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By: Harmony https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21031 Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:02:31 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21031 Dry science has its place, but insisting upon it as the one and only true way is nothing but harmful. It’s the fastest way to kill people’s fascination with the natural world, and I’m sure it’s a barrier to entry for many people who’d otherwise totally love science!

The world around us is weird and wonderful and beautiful, and if you refuse to acknowledge that, you’re probably taking yourself too seriously.

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By: Tom https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21014 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 23:23:27 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21014 In reply to Justin.

I second this sentiment

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By: Dr SW https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21010 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:54:48 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21010 One of my students recently posted online that the one single thing they will remember from their zoology degree is the video I showed in class of marine flatworms penis fencing. This was reposted so much that thousands of people now know flatworms exist, and are quirky hermaphrodite lovers. Same thing with cone snails eating live fish and being the coolest most venomous animals ever. When else do gastropod molluscs impress so many young people? Gotta entertain as well as educate, spark that debate among the people who only hear about animals second hand via the internet!

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By: Deep Sea Bex https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21002 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:18:06 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21002 At least brandings of any type bring peoples attention to these bizarre and beautiful beasts.

Anyway, I am quite sure you have the page views to slap in the face of the naysayers. There is room for all these types of communication, the more morphs the wider the reach. I’m not sure why people bother telling you when they haven’t read all the way through – they were clearly not the target audience in the first place.

I echo the calls to “Keep it up!” Dr M and Deep Sea News – you have plenty of supporters clamoring for your deep sea wit and wisdom.

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By: Samantha Muka https://deepseanews.com/2017/02/so-yeah-ocean-sunfish-are-ridiculous-dolphins-are-and-deep-sea-anglerfish-are-monsters/#comment-21000 Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:33:24 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57775#comment-21000 I do think that lumping the first article about calling deep sea creatures monsters and the possible implications in with comments and rants left on your website is unfair. Dr. Litchfield, who wrote that piece, is trying to make an interesting point. Whether you agree with it or not (and I’m getting you don’t even want to think about it), it’s not an internet rant. As a historian of marine biology, I study the way that the public thinks about the marine realm and how presentations of that space influence conservation and science. And yes, there is a possibility that labeling something “alien” or “monstrous” has an impact on how interested people are in preserving it. The answer to this claim is not to freak out and overreact by calling everyone a bunch of whiners, but instead to think about when this might be true and when it might not be. Calling dolphins names or even sunfish isn’t a problem- both of those posts are hilarious. And truthfully, I feel similarly about manatees (they suck at swimming- just learn to swim!). But, sometimes labeling something “alien” and “unknowable” can have an impact on how willing people are to fund research or to protect places. If something is so alien it doesn’t impact our lives or we can’t imagine its importance, it doesn’t matter except as an oddity. The concern is, when do we know when that impact is happening- how can we know how we are shaping perceptions of the sea and how do we work on it? I’m a huge fan of this website, but this post was overly critical of what Dr. Lichtfield was trying to say. Go after your critics in your comments section-that’s cool- but she wasn’t saying don’t make fun of sun fish or call things cool, and I certainly don’t think she was talking straight to this blog. Yes, you educate people on the ocean and that is important. But it is also important to understand that sometimes, attempts at education do not always go as planned. This is why we are academics. So we can learn continuously.

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