Comments on: We Need an Ocean NASA Now Pt.3 https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/ All the news on the Earth's largest environment. Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:33:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://csrtech.com By: We Need an Ocean NASA Now! « Diving Deeper into Marine Biology https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9570 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:33:29 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9570 […] We Need an Ocean NASA Now! […]

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By: Aquanautix https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9569 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:53:00 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9569 LOVE that logo, very cool!

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By: Andrew https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9568 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:29:00 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9568 Brilliantly articulated! Sadly throughout the ‘developed’ world, there seems to be a focus on short term investment and growth NOW – Here in New Zealand government seems to only want to invest a dollar on Monday if there’s a return by close of business Friday. Science from primary schools through to Universities is being run down and treated as a deficit on the books. The best government can do is come up with trite slogans such as ‘doing more with less’ and the like…. On top of that the hoops that scientists need to jump through just to get into the pool to be considered for funding…:-( Some of the truly great scientific discoveries have been made in what would be called blue sky research today.

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By: tim https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9567 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:56:10 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9567 The space race (and NASA) was motivated by more than just bragging rights-the potential to exploit any new environments for financial gain was more likely a motivator (or is at least the motivation behind the funding). The ocean will not yield those kinds of returns without risking the very biology we want to explore.

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By: para_sight https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9566 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:32:02 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9566 In reply to gef05.

We started – Walsh and Piccard made it to Mariana Trench before we got to the moon – but then the whole thing just stopped cold. I wonder what the world would have looked like if the US and Russia had fought a “depths race” instead of a space race?

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By: Steve Weintz https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9565 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:45:09 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9565 BTW, *extremely* tasty OSEA logo!

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By: Steve Weintz https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9564 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:43:53 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9564 Awesome series, and a surge of fresh 02 into a sea that badly needs it. The BLUE Ocean Film Festival, held recently in Monterey, CA, was full of a renewed spirit of conservation and exploration. (You couldn’t help but get blue fever when four working subs were on display in the hotel lobby; and Don Walsh, Sylvia Earle and the Cousteaus were on hand!)

I came up with a different but parallet re-alignment of Federal ocean authority:

1) Detach NOAA from DoCommerce, separate R&E from Ocean Management & Enforcement

2) Detach USCG from DHS, downgrade DHS from Cabinet Dept. to Executive Branch agency

3) Combine USCG with NOAA Uniformed Corps, Ocean Management & Enforcement to form NMMA
= National Marine Management Adminsitration — joint ops w/DoD, DoJ, DoCommerce, etc.

4) Combine NASA with NOAA’s R&E to form NEXA = National Exploration Administration

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By: Dr. M https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9563 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:38:51 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9563 In reply to Richard Alexander.

Read Part 1 and 2 and above for why NOAA’s mission doesn’t allow for exploration thus is not an equivalent of NASA

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By: Drs. D https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9562 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:56:47 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9562 It warms my heart to read… “High risk with the potential for high impact would be the norm. Pioneering knows no other way to achieve those truly novel and impactful gains.”

This relates closely to my PhD research, where I am reflecting on the disparity between the role of the oceans (in particular the deep sea) in nature, and the reflection of that in biology. Biology as a science does not reflect nature, as the largest ecosystems on the planet (which we ironically call ‘Earth’) are chronically underexplored, the deep pelagic realm is even virtually unknown.

I am convinced the deep sea currently holds the highest potential for high impact discoveries that are capable of influencing biology at a fundamental level. The importance of ocean science in this context is not to be underestimated. For biology to progress as a science and in its understanding of nature, it really needs to address this disparity.

Even though I am from a different country (the Netherlands), I highly sympathize with these thoughts of establishing a more independent agency. Scientists can’t do their science when they constantly have to make financial ends meet. Something which Edward Forbes (1815-1854) experienced as financial reasons forced him to take on the position of Curator at the Geological Society of London, causing him to largely abandon the work on his Aegean Sea collections. He exclaimed;
“…I must take what I can get, and give up working at science for the mere sake of science,…” (Memoir of Edward Forbes, p.326)
As the distractions of the Geological Society accumulated he was driven into despair stating:
“I wish I had stuck to the brush, and never meddled with natural history, which is only fit for independent amateurs.” (Memoir of Edward Forbes, p.357)
I often wonder if Forbes’ hypothesis on life in the deep sea (lifeless beyond 300 fathoms) would have remained the same, had he had the independence to fully work through his Aegean Sea collections and journey to the Red Sea for the intended comparative study of species distribution.

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By: gef05 https://deepseanews.com/2012/10/we-need-an-ocean-nasa-now-pt-3/#comment-9561 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:41:24 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=18469#comment-9561 I admire NASA and much of what they have done.

But we should have explored the ocean depths long before space.

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