Comments on: The Ocean Cleanup deployed a prototype and I honestly have A LOT of questions https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/ All the news on the Earth's largest environment. Fri, 05 Aug 2016 19:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://csrtech.com By: Michael Bear https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19294 Fri, 05 Aug 2016 19:54:00 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19294 Fair enough. See you out there (on the Internet). I do appreciate the scientific concerns you’ve raised as well as the work you and your colleagues do.

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By: Dr. Martini https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19291 Fri, 05 Aug 2016 14:52:19 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19291 In reply to Michael Bear.

Fair enough, that’s your opinion. The internet is big enough all kinds of writing styles, and what may not resonate with you, may click with others. Science communication is not one-sized fits all and I’ll respectfully continue writing in my voice.

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By: Michael Bear https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19289 Fri, 05 Aug 2016 02:34:36 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19289 Dr. Martini:

While I have no doubt that you are well -respected in your field, like many scientists, your communication and PR skills with the general public could use a little work.

Do you frequently use the F bomb in your peer-reviewed scientific papers?

Being harsh, sarcastic and dismissive of others is not going to win you much appeal with the general public–if in fact, that is who you’re trying to win over.

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By: Bas Vossen https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19263 Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:36:02 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19263 What are the result of the test so far?
Is it possible to make floats with the plastic?
Is it possible in a floating factory on the spot (so no logistic losses needed)?
Do you think the sea steading idea can be combined with this idea?
Could it employ fishermen that have lost their jobs? How many jobs can be created with this idea?

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By: Wyatt Patry https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19168 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 06:20:01 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19168 In reply to Boyan Slat.

Boyan, your project still seems to completely ignore any potential impact to marine life. Why won’t you address this problem?

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By: Dr. Martini https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19152 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:15:57 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19152 Thanks for taking the time to answer!

Although I admit, after listening to the mooring vandalism horror stories at work recently, the phrase “no-go area for non-authorized vessels” made me chuckle/weep.

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By: Boyan Slat https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19150 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:43:21 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19150 Hey Kim, thanks for your questions!

Always happy to see people thinking along with us, indeed it helps keeping the team sharp which brings us forward.

As to your questions:

“Are you using Ro-Booms?”
The prototype we deployed two weeks ago is developed in conjunction with DESMI, who are indeed also a manufacturer of proven oil spill response equipment. It’d have been great if we could have used off-the-shelf equipment (it would have saved our engineers a lot of time), but unfortunately that option wouldn’t have been able to cope with the loads (80MT for the prototype), and also those booms aren’t designed for permanent deployment. On the plus side, we were able to build on their decades of experience when it comes to rubber composition, hinges, etc. but still air chambers, the load-carrying ‘undercarriage’, the electronics and bridles etc had to be engineered from scratch. Note the transportation drum is in fact a refurbished oil boom drum, hence the text.

“why are they black?”
The black colour ensures the highest UV stability for the type of synthetic rubber used. The barrier is fitted with reflective strips to improve visibility. Note that the prototype deployment site itself is marked with 4 cardinal marking buoys, and is a no-go area for non-authorized vessels.

“Have they issued a notice to mariners?”
Certainly, the Dutch government is a close collaborator to the prototype project. The Notice to Mariners can be found here: https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/defensie/verzamelingen/berichten-aan-zeevarenden/2016/19/wkly-y2016-w19-baz180-191.pdf (page 8)

“Are these the booms that will be used in Japan? The design is different every time”
The design of the barriers continues to change over time, which is inherit to the iterative nature of the project. We test to learn, to then be able to improve the design, etc etc. So we cannot guarantee the barriers in future projects will look exactly like the one we have in the North Sea right now, but the lessons we gather from this testing will result in the design used for the next iteration(s). Note that the tests at Deltares and MARIN were hydrodynamic tests, and didn’t require the level of design detail that is required for real offshore deployments.

Side note on the still taken from the MARIN video: what you see there is, as you correctly imply, behaviour we don’t want to see with our system. However, the test case we are looking at in that video is actually of the highest pre-tension we tested during that test campaign, simulating a tension that is way higher that we will realistically encounter in the Pacific. Also note that MARIN was a very conservative setting, since it’s hard to properly scale down stiffness because it scales with the 4th power. And higher stiffness means less favourable behaviour in our case. In realistic cases, the barrier performed nominally. The MARIN report can be downloaded on our website.

“Will you also be doing plastic capture efficiency tests?”
Yes

“How did they get funding EUR 0.5 Million from the Dutch Government?”
We applied for an ‘innovation subsidy’ through the regular channels of the Ministry of Infrastructure and Environment and the Ministry of Economic Affairs. I don’t know whether the documents related to this subsidy are online.

Hope this helps and please don’t hesitate to contact us in case any more questions pop up!

Yours
Boyan

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By: Wyatt Patry https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19082 Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:58:01 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19082 In reply to Michael Michaels.

Are you a real person?

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By: Wyatt Patry https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19081 Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:56:13 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19081 In reply to Dr. Martini.

So it seems the oil booms as currently deployed will collect only large floating objects?

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By: Dr. Martini https://deepseanews.com/2016/06/the-ocean-cleanup-deployed-a-prototype-and-i-honestly-have-a-lot-of-questions/#comment-19080 Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:45:20 +0000 https://www.deepseanews.com/?p=57084#comment-19080 In reply to Wyatt Patry.

The oil booms that were just deployed are too short to affect this, however the booms proposed for Japan and the Pacific are not.

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